Ratings/Streaming/Youtube Update

I want to play Epic.

Falling in love with Legends of Runeterra, spending $100 on it, and then just no longer playing it, with about half my purchased coins and 40,000 gems unspent (in a non-predatory monetization system with a lot of free-to-play benefits where I never felt like I had to spend money) — even though the client looks and feels great, they keep putting out fresh content, the development team is open/active in their communities/responsive to critiques, there are 10k tournaments every two months, there’s an excellent limited format where you rogue-like upgrade your deck between games with elimination being two consecutive loses and an entry consisting of two runs, there’s actual interesting lore-based champions that pull me deeper into the game and the surrounding universe, they pay for survey feedback ($5), and there are desirable cosmetics (another thing I never particularly cared about before Runeterra) — just served to illustrate how much more I enjoy Epic’s gameplay.

Similarly, since Hearthstone came out with battlegrounds I’ve played 302 hours, but I haven’t played a single game of “Hearthstone” since, and I haven’t missed it once (although Duels intrigues me).  Tried to get into Magic Arena, one skipped weekend due to a vacation, and I effectively forgot about Arena for a while, and when I remembered, I had no desire to go back. Tried to get into Eternal with Pluck U to chase the 50K world championship, game just wasn’t particularly fun to me.

In general, I’ve just come to the conclusion that I actively dislike the standard resource model for most 2-player dueling card games and their implications (missed resource drops, playing on a curve especially for midrange, exponential power differentials between resource-costs, etc.). Runeterra is far and away the best of these because they address a bunch of these issues, but some of those core issues remain.

I vastly prefer Epic’s resource system where every card costs 1 or 0, each of those is largely balanced against the other cards of that cost (with some outliers), and the only thing determining what cards I want to play is the game state not the game turn. I can manipulate the game state much more easily than the game turn, and I love setting up decks and plays that manipulate the game into a state where this one card is better than all other cards, even though they all cost the same. Games are able to play out with so much more variation because of this. Dark Draft as a heads up draft format is phenomenal as well.

Further, the spoilers for the new kickstarter sets look awesome, and they got me super excited, as well as the fact that Pantheon is going to start to be added on the app on Tuesday Nov 3. Therefore,

Weekly Streamed Saturday Twitch Challenges

Every Saturday at 1pm CST/CDT I want to play at least a best of three against someone in any epic format on the app (excluding on the day of a Monthly which I’ll stream starting at 11am ET). I will also stream it on twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/tomsepicgaming (if you would like to remain anonymous, I will cover your Epic username.)

If anyone is interested, feel free to reach out to me in the comments, the contact form, on facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/EpicCardGame / https://www.facebook.com/thomas.sorenson.545/, or on the discord https://discord.gg/QTJjTER (TomEpicGamin). (I don’t regularly check BGG or Reddit)

During the best of three, I can either do my usual talking through all of my plays by myself or we could hop into a discord/skype call that I’d broadcast. I can also actively focus on providing feedback or refrain from it as much as possible while still explaining my plays. (While also interacting with chat of course!)

For formats, the default would be Dark Draft, but I will happily work with the challenger on any format they would want to do including but not limited to: Random 30, Beginner, full Constructed, Constructed using only some sets, singleton Constructed (30, 45, or 60), Burn/Health Gain less Constructed, other custom ban lists, we each start with the same 33 cards from an alignment and then finish building from there but can’t add any more of that initial alignment, anything we can think of.

First match will be against Atlanta, Dark Draft on November 7, 2020. I will then break out those games into individual videos which I’ll post on my

New YouTube Channel

I wasn’t able to get back into my original Youtube channel after Youtube changed stuff, so I finally gave up and just created a new one: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeqfbtXRAGMdm8e06tvS9-w/videos. I am planning on posting a single-game video every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at 7pm CST/CDT. I have preloaded it with the January 2020 Constructed Monthly, and my tutorial campaign run through. I plan on adding all of my highlighted games from Twitch so far. Including the Saturday streams, I will also be putting out content on the blog the rest of the week.

Card Ratings Finally Continued

I recently updated my Constructed Tiered Card Ratings as well as completely overhauled my Dark Draft Card Ratings. Going forward, I will be posting one new card review every Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday at 7pm CST/CDT. To see them you can either subscribe to the blog or check out my most recent posts page: Game Reviews, Strategy Articles, and More. Seeing as how I’ll be flooding out a lot of smaller content, I do not plan on cross-posting to the Epic pages on Facebook (Fan Page, Digital), Reddit, or Board Game Geek as I have in the past, outside of potential major articles. (Feel free to post to any of those if you would like to discuss anything here with that particular community.) Also, I do not plan on actually posting anymore big articles on here for awhile, aside from one which will go up before November 20th, unless a massive wave of motivation hits. I might do some stub articles on stuff I want to put out there but don’t have the energy/full-understanding to do as thoroughly as I’d like though (Aggro-combo human token decks).

Here’s the first rating in the new style (I have a couple more written out going in alphabetical order, but I found this one was particularly interesting):

Images used with permission from White Wizard Games. These are not the final card files and are subject to change.

Draft

Spreadsheet: Other
Category: Ambush Champions (B-Tier)
Internal Category Tier: A-Tier

Constructed

Tier 4

I actually think this card is quite powerful, and I’ve been consistently impressed by it. It’s a “boring, vanilla,” airborne/ambush champion, but those stats are actually terrifying. Aerial Assassin at minimum trades with all playable airborne champions (except Sky Serpent), and it survives all of the 7 or less attack ones like Draka’s Enforcer, Angel of the Gate, Ice Drake, Strafing Dragon, Little Devil, etc. It also survives all 0-cost removal (barring bounce: Hasty Retreat, Vanishing, Disappearing Act which are all devastating), in addition to 7 damage removal which is getting to be a more important break point (Fires of Rebellion, Whirlwind, Flames of Furios). On the attack, that 9 airborne offense effectively demands a 1-cost answer as there are not many 0’s that can effectively mitigate it, since there aren’t airborne tokens to chump block (thankfully).

Further, in Dark Draft, I’ll frequently attempt to plop this down in front of a turn 1 Little Devil, Guilt Demon, or blitzing 1-cost airborne champion with 7/8 stats or lower to go for the block. This is especially true because on-turn fast targeted-removal is not valued particularly highly right now, so while they may have a slow reestablishing follow up, which isn’t ideal for me, the odds that they can remove my blocker before I eat their 0-cost champion is fairly low. Even if they do, it will frequently force them down to 3 cards in hand turn 1. If I’m holding a 0-cost buff, to counter a potential buff from my opponent, I’m even more likely to try for this play. (Erase and Banishment are the utter fail cases for this though so be aware.)

In constructed, this was a solid and necessary addition to my Sage, Kark-Hunting list. A lot of the other ambush champions that I could use for off-turn gold-punishers were either just too small and unimpactful or didn’t have reliable, in-built evasion, making them too bad/inconsistent. Against Kark, you have to push big damage early, to prevent the turbo Kark win, and you need to apply constant champion-based persistent pressure to prevent them from stabilizing into card draw. This did both, as an off-turn gold-punisher. However, if you can’t reliably play it as an off-turn gold punisher, you can’t draw enough cards to maintain a reasonable hand-size, or you need either more immediate or long term value to win, this probably isn’t your card. If Alignment doesn’t matter and burn is super prevalent, Angel of the Gate is probably better, but Angel’s 7 health is definitely a liability so if your deck is more aggressive than midrange/control, Aerial Assassin might still be better.

The threat of this card is so-high that I try to do everything I can to avoid spending my gold first on my turn if I know my opponent has it in hand and I don’t have an effective answer, similar to (but not quite as much as) Rift Summoner and Thought Plucker.

Conclusion

I feel pretty good about this schedule, but I’d be happy to hear any comments, concerns, hype, etc. if anything comes to mind. Nothing is set in stone so it can be adjusted if there is a reasonable reason.

6 thoughts on “Ratings/Streaming/Youtube Update”

  1. Yeah! I love epic too! No suggestions from me, just wishes that you continue doing EPIC material because it is appreciated! A lot!

    1. Excellent and thank you, this new schedule should allow for me to keep putting out consistent content, at the very least.

  2. Hi Tom.
    You’re really the only reason why I continue to play this game here and there – aside that I agree with you, Epic has something that other card games don’t have, even if Eternal is pretty good imao.

    You talked about it some months ago, but I feel it still true and sad: Epic just doesn’t start to be a thing. When I open the app, I can’t reach any player, or when I do finally, I’m crushed because there’s only very seasoned players online.

    I’m always hesitating between those two thoughts: “go and play Epic, you like it” and “it has no future, invest elsewhere”.

    Any new insights about the subject ?
    Thanks !

    1. Hey Jonathan,

      Epic, like most games/card games, is massively dependent on the people you play with. As I’ve mentioned, I love the mechanics of the game, and I think they are better than all of the competitors, but I’ve put so much into this game because I love the people that have surrounded it.

      I played a bunch with my friend Paul every week to establish a firm basis of understanding/enjoyment of the game as we both got better.

      I went out to Boston for a week as a kickstarter tier when I was thinking about getting into game design and that was phenomenal. Everyone was great but Darwin in particular taught me so much and played a ton of games with me where I was able to rapidly improve and learn new things. I still remember my initial utter confusion when he passed on his turn without spending his gold, and then after thinking about it for a while I passed to end the turn. That week also instilled my love of Open Draft. Randy is also the most jovial person I have ever met, an absolute joy to be around. That weekend finally pushed me to make a general board gaming blog as an online portfolio to help get into the industry.

      I’ve already gone into a bit more detail than I needed to to answer your question, so just quickly.
      – First Gen Con before Epic was released
      – Playing online through a client I can’t remember the name of with Atlanta, EpicAgenda, and many others
      – First Origins post release competing for a slot at 100k worlds, taking pictures for the blog, making top 8 in 3 of 4 events, developing my hatred of Muse, HAMPUS!!!!!
      – First Gen Con post release taking more pictures, qualifying for worlds in the first dark draft event (one of the most overwhelmingly satisfying moments of my life), meeting Tom Dixon, getting crushed in casual side drafts HAMPUS!!!!!!
      – Interacting online with Epic players through the blog, discord, and facebook page especially with Ian (head judge and one of the best parts of the Epic events of the time) and Thandrie both formerly with WWG
      – Greylag dominating the Epic Puzzles
      – First Worlds, mentoring some of the players a bit, meeting blog fans, doing respectably, and having a great time with all of people I had interacted with previously
      – etc.

      However, currently,
      – No in-person events/conventions
      – I play almost no games with an opponent I can talk to midmatch, no in-person games
      – Most of the OG competitors I came up with have either stopped playing or seem to take it significantly less seriously as well
      – No Ian/Thandrie
      – Online Epic interaction has plummeted, in no small part because I dislike the formatting on Discord and therefore don’t follow it
      – Very few real time games on the app, I don’t enjoy queuing for 48 hour games (although I’m happy to accept challenges), and there is a very significant experience gaps between players
      – I haven’t been able to play with new cards since Worlds 2017 with the first 4 of 6 Pantheon packs, with the exception of Origins 2019 which included the final 2 of 6 Pantheon packs as well

      However,
      – Streaming is enjoyable when I can find games and have people to chat with
      – Monthly $500 tournaments are competitive and fun, especially when I have people to chat with
      – A bunch of new competitors have come up through the app and the skill gap at the very top of competitive play has shrunk considerably (Tatian isn’t winning everything anymore, although still the most winning player)
      – Next Epic sets should finally be coming out in the next few months which include a new core set, new pack expansion, and duel decks focused on beginners and drawing new players into the game

      So, the only real way I can recommend new people get into the game is if they have at least one other person to play with in person to get started. From there, the app provides further Epic for the hyper-competitive that want to attempt to win some arenas to get into the Monthly tournaments. Otherwise, the app can work for people who enjoy 48 hour asynchronous games.

      Once the most recent Epic kickstarter fulfills and in-person playing/tournaments can resume, if WWG is able to get more people into the game, potentially with a boost from the Duel Decks, maybe Epic could be revitalized.

      Personally, I am still planning on competing in and streaming the monthly tournaments, but I’ve already stepped back from the blog and will be pausing the other streams while I try to buy my first home. It is currently my intention to finish the Duels card ratings after that and return to weekly streaming after that. I’ll also definitely record my first impressions of all of the cards from the kickstarter when it arrives as well.

      Not sure this helped, feel free to ask any follow up questions.

      1. Hi Tom.
        Wow, you really take time to answer in depth to people, thanks for that.
        I think you got it in a nutsheel: if I could play the printed game with a friend, it would worth it. Unfortunately, it’s not the case. I’ll still keep in touch to see what happen, and I’d be happy to know what you think of the new cards.
        Good luck for your first home, it’s something !

        1. Thank you, and I do like to be thorough. I also managed to squeeze in some time for a few more Duels ratings for the next couple weeks.

          From what I’ve seen of some of the new cards that have been spoiled, I’m excited. I’m also looking forward to Dark Eyes and Krieg eventually getting added to the app from Pantheon as they are two of my favorites. I still have a sliver of hope for this game becoming more popular for more online competitors and in-person tournaments when possible, but I stopped trying to make Epic more than a hobby (which includes some streaming and minor blogging). [Not ruling out any possibilities if the stars align, but not considering it.]

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